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The subject says it all..... FYI, I'm using BinaB 2023 and have loaded the updates. Using Logic Pro 10.2.2 and is as current as I get it.
I have reloaded and refreshed all the sound libraries in Logic, and reloaded Band in a box 2023. Please note that this was fine with the 2021 Band version.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this?

Ask away.........Thanks

I'm assuming you are talking about the AU BiaB plugin. There was a bug specifically with one recent version of the DAW plugin that caused a validation error when loading Logic - this was fixed in 5.5.2 which was included with build 705 of the main program. Can you double-check that you have that one, and if you do can you describe in more detail what happens when you try to load it?

The current version of Logic is 10.7.8, maybe you need to update it.

Thanks for your response. I've re installed updates 705 and 704, restart and, no change.

As Logic starts up, and alert advises that;

"While verifying Audio Unit compatibility, Logic Pro X encountered 1 Audio Unit plug-in(s) which did not pass the Apple AU validation. These plug-ins have been excluded from further usage in Logic Pro X to prevent possible problems or crashes. You can start the Plug-In Manager now to review the validation results or continue the startup process"

I have reinstalled the Logic's sound library. As before, the only exception in the listing is the Band in a Box that can't be verified.

FYI, in Logix, I have reviewed the System and Logic preferences for in/out preference and everthings seems ok.... Focustite in and out.
The same holds true for BB.

Tryuk, thank for the suggestion however, there must be a fix for this as the plugin did work at one time, so I don't think it's my system.

I'm an old dog and I don't like new tricks. I'm not ready to make the investment in new gear despite the fact that some of the advantages in a newer Logic program which really really interesting, but my currect setup does everything that I need it do do, well almost.

Cheers

On your Mac hard drive, go to /Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components. Click on "Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin.component", and press Commnand+I (get info). Can you confirm that it does say build 5.5.2 there?

Yes

Hmmm, ok. In the plugin manager, "Logic Pro > Settings > Plug-In Manager" menu, highlight the BiaB plugin and click "Reset & Rescan..

What OS do you have?

tried to rescan and this error came up........... Using Sierra

validating Audio Unit Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin by PG Music Inc.:

AU Validation Tool
Version: 1.6.1a1
Copyright 2003-2013, Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Specify -h (-help) for command options

--------------------------------------------------
VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.5.2 (0x50502)

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
TESTING OPEN TIMES:
COLD:
FATAL ERROR: OpenAComponent: result: -1,0xFFFFFFFF


validation result: couldn't be opened

Thanks for the info. Are you able to manually enable the plugin? I.E. open the Plugin Manager in Logic and select Show all, then click the "Use" checkbox. Does it work?

No. The same window concerning validation comes up.

Create a new admin account on your Mac, for testing. Then log into the new account and run Logic. Same thing happen?

Never done this so it may take some time. Need to research

No, it should be easy...

1. Apple menu | System Preferences | Users & Groups.
2. Click the lock icon to allow changes and enter your password.
3. click the Plus symbol and it will allow you to create an account.

Now you can Log Out (Apple menu) of your current account, and log in to the account you created.

If you run Logic now it will either work or not work (i.e. same error). That is what we want to know. You don't need to keep using this account, it is just a test and will not change anything (you can log back into your normal account)

That was easy.... No changes in the result. Can't open file and the validation notification still comes up.
Is it ok to remove the account.

Note. When I was starting Logic it had to go through loading the plugins. It stopped and requested that I register Synthmaster One. I already had Synthmaster as a plugin in Logic that I got from my Fishman Midi Guitar controller. I have not used S1 in the Band in a Box program. could there be a connection?

No, not connected, and you can probably remove the account if you want. Thanks for doing that test. I think we'll have to hunt down a log file on your system with the validation results in it. I will have to get back to you about this on Monday.

I have MacBook Pro 2015 i7, internal 1tb hard, 16gb memory. Using Big Sur and the latest version of Logic Pro. I updated biab version (705). But my daw’s biab show the words playing but you don’t hear or see the progress moving from one chord to another. I am also using a 10tb external hard drive. I have always used a pc until my brother convince me to buy a Mac. Never have I had problems with pc apps. The mac’s Biab version is the only app I know has so many problems. In addition, when I run the independent biab, it doesn’t play the correct chords at the bridge. Is anyone else having these problems? Jerry says the developing team is looking into this matter. I been waiting for two weeks and still no solution.
Any suggest?

George R, please start a new thread describing your issue. This thread is ongoing to resolve an issue another user is having.

Andrew, thanks for your help. I've been probing files and I may onto something concerning a "Standalone" file file that I found in a directory. Let you know next week.

Hi Hogman,

Please do this:

1. Open a Terminal window. One way to do this is to press Command+Spacebar (this brings up spotlight), and type "Terminal", then press enter.

2. In the Terminal window, first type (or copy and paste) the following command and press Enter.

auval -a

This will list all of the AU plugins installed on your system. Verify that you see in the list somewhere: "PG Music Inc.: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Does it output any error messages?

3. Next, type the following command and press Enter.

auval -v aumu Oaw8 Manu

Note that is a capital O, not a zero, in Oaw8

This will test the Band-in-a-Box DAW Plugin specifically. Copy everything it says (maybe about 50 lines or so), and paste into your reply. You can copy text in the Terminal just like you would expect, by dragging to highlight, and press Command+C to copy.

I'm assuming it will list some sort of error message, which we would like to see.
===============================

There is one other thing to try as well in the meantime, although I don't think this will make a difference since you experience the same problem in a different user account as we found out in our test earlier. But for what it's worth:

- Go to ~/Library/Caches, and delete the folder "AudioUnitCache". As a shortcut to get to this folder, you can press Command+Shift+L. This hotkey gets you into the user "Library" folder, which you don't normally see because it is a hidden folder. From there, you can open the Caches folder and you should find that AudioUnitCache subfolder in there.

- After you do that, back in the Terminal window, run this command (or alternatively reboot the Mac):

killall -9 AudioComponentRegistrar

- Then, run the auval scan again and see if there's any difference.

I have the same problem. I bought BiaB for mac yesterday and I can't load tracks into LogicPro.

Mac mini 2020 with M1 chip and 16 GB RAM
Mac OS version: Ventura 13.4 (22F66)
Logic Pro version: 10.7.8
BiaB release: Release 2023 (705)
Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin.component version: 5.5.2

I have a successful installation ov BiaB.

Thanks,

Pierre

So here we go. I don't see the the PG Music Inc NinaB Daw Au Plugin.

Bruces-iMac:~ bruce$ auval -v aumu Oaw8 Manu

AU Validation Tool
Version: 1.6.1a1
Copyright 2003-2013, Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Specify -h (-help) for command options

--------------------------------------------------
VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.5.2 (0x50502)

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
TESTING OPEN TIMES:
COLD:
FATAL ERROR: OpenAComponent: result: -1,0xFFFFFFFF
Bruces-iMac:~ bruce$

If you need me to do part 2 of you response let me know after you have reviewed the above. Maybe that will do.

Could you follow the steps above in my previous post regarding the auval tool, and post your results as described there?

Thanks. I'd actually like to confirm that a previous build passed on your system. Could you try installing this earlier build and running that same auval command? Does it pass??
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2023_mac_update_build704_dawplugin_5.4.7.pkg

Note: You can always reinstall the current build:
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2023_mac_update_build705.pkg

Thanks for sticking with this.

Edit - One more thing. Can you run the 'Standalone' version of the plugin and see if anything strange happens? You can find this in your Band-in-a-Box folder here: BBPlugin | Files | Band-in-a-Box DAW Plugin Standalone.app

Once you open that, check File | Preferences | Folder Locations. What is the Band-in-a-Box path listed there?

Hi Andrew thanks for your help, here is the result:

AU Validation Tool
Version: 1.10.0
Copyright 2003-2019, Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Specify -h (-help) for command options

--------------------------------------------------
VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.5.2 (0x50502)

* * PASS

Note
To do another test
A) I uninstall completely BinB
B) I disable the MacOS "System Security Protection" (Even if BinB was installed properly the first time)
C) I install again BinB

And nothing change ...

This can't be the entire report. Is there more? It should be something like 50-75 lines in total. Unless it fails at some point, in which case it would show some kind of error message.

Hi Andrew, here is the complete report:

Last login: Thu Jun 8 10:38:56 on ttys000
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ~ % auval -v aumu Oaw8 Manu

AU Validation Tool
Version: 1.10.0
Copyright 2003-2019, Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Specify -h (-help) for command options

--------------------------------------------------
VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.5.2 (0x50502)

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
TESTING OPEN TIMES:
COLD:
Time to open AudioUnit: 126.439 ms
WARM:
Time to open AudioUnit: 33.741 ms
This AudioUnit is a version 2 implementation.
FIRST TIME:
Time for initialization: 0.009 ms

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
VERIFYING DEFAULT SCOPE FORMATS:
Input Scope Bus Configuration:
Default Bus Count:0

Output Scope Bus Configuration:
Default Bus Count:8
Bus Name: 1-2
Format Bus 0: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 3-4
Format Bus 1: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 5-6
Format Bus 2: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 7-8
Format Bus 3: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 9-10
Format Bus 4: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 11-12
Format Bus 5: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 13-14
Format Bus 6: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus Name: 15-16
Format Bus 7: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Bus 0, Has Channel Layouts: 0x640001 0x650002 0x660002 0x670002 0x6A0002
Default Layout (bus 0):
Tag=0x650002, Num Chan Descs=0

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
VERIFYING REQUIRED PROPERTIES:

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
VERIFYING RECOMMENDED PROPERTIES:
VERIFYING PROPERTY: Latency
PASS

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
VERIFYING OPTIONAL PROPERTIES:
VERIFYING PROPERTY: Tail Time
PASS
VERIFYING PROPERTY: Bypass Effect
PASS

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
VERIFYING SPECIAL PROPERTIES:

VERIFYING CUSTOM UI
Cocoa Views Available: 1
JUCE_AUCocoaViewClass_3ef73c4bbe185b58
PASS

HAS FACTORY PRESETS
ID: 0 Name: Untitled

VERIFYING CLASS INFO
PASS

TESTING HOST CALLBACKS
PASS

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
PUBLISHED PARAMETER INFO:

# # # 1 Global Scope Parameters:
Parameter ID:1419126729
Name: Host State
Parameter Type: Boolean
Values: Minimum = Off, Default = Off, Maximum = On
Flags: Values Have Strings, High Resolution, Readable, Writable
-parameter PASS

Testing that parameters retain value across reset and initialization
PASS

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
FORMAT TESTS:

Reported Channel Capabilities (explicit):
[0, 1] [0, 2]

No Input, Output Chans:
0-1 0-2 0-4 0-5 0-6 0-7 0-8
X X

# # AudioChannelLayouts (5), Output Scope:
ChannelLayout is Writable: T
The Unit publishes the following Channel Layouts:
0x640001, 0x650002, 0x660002, 0x670002, 0x6A0002,

Is Audio Channel Layout Available:
Mono Stereo Binau. AU_4 Ambi. AU_5 AU_5_0 AU_6 AU_6_0 AU_7_0 AU_7_0F AU_8 AU_5_1 AU_6_1 AU_7_1 AU_7_1F
X X X

Current Format:AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Current Format Tag = 0x650002, New Format Tag = 0x640001, Success - did not reset format with mis-matched layout

Current Format:AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Current Format Tag = 0x650002, New Format Tag = 0x650002, Successsful

Current Format:AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Current Format Tag = 0x650002, New Format Tag = 0x6A0002, Successsful

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
RENDER TESTS:

Output Format: AudioStreamBasicDescription: 2 ch, 44100 Hz, Float32, deinterleaved
Render Test at 512 frames
Slicing Render Test at 64 frames
PASS


Render Test at 64 frames, sample rate: 22050 Hz
Render Test at 137 frames, sample rate: 96000 Hz
Render Test at 4096 frames, sample rate: 48000 Hz
Render Test at 4096 frames, sample rate: 192000 Hz
Render Test at 4096 frames, sample rate: 11025 Hz
Render Test at 512 frames, sample rate: 44100 Hz
PASS

1 Channel Test:
Render Test at 512 frames
PASS

Bad Max Frames - Render should fail
PASS

Checking parameter setting
Using AudioUnitSetParameter
Using AudioUnitScheduleParameter
PASS

Test MIDI
PASS

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
AU VALIDATION SUCCEEDED.
--------------------------------------------------

Hi Pierre,

So it doesn't seem like you are having the same problem as Hogman, since validation succeeds for you. I'll move your post into it's own thread, so reply there with more details about what specifically the problem is...

In this thread we will continue to work on Hogman's problem.

So here we go,

1. I've reinstalled the earlier builds on the links you sent me, 704 and 705. Please note that I have done this before.
2. I ran the ouval command and I don't see anything that changed. I have copied the information and can pass it along to you. For now I have it saved.
3. I re-ran the aumu file and below are the results. Last login: Thu Jun 8 13:20:41 on ttys000
Bruces-iMac:~ bruce$ auval -v aumu Oaw8 Manu

AU Validation Tool
Version: 1.6.1a1
Copyright 2003-2013, Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Specify -h (-help) for command options

--------------------------------------------------
VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.5.2 (0x50502)

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
TESTING OPEN TIMES:
COLD:
FATAL ERROR: OpenAComponent: result: -1,0xFFFFFFFF
Bruces-iMac:~ bruce$

I also ran the Standalone program and I don't see anything unusual for now. Tracks and styles are loading up fine. However I could not check the File/Preferences/Folder Locations from the open window.

As mentioned before one thing that we have not tried is going into the Library/Chaches. You didn't think it would make a difference so I thought I would defer.

I'm not out for the count yet.

Forgot to tell you, I went into the Folders for the Band under Daw Vst3 plugins.vst and got this if it helps. Last login: Thu Jun 8 13:23:56 on ttys000
Bruces-iMac:Band-in-a-Box DAW VST3 Plugin.vst3 bruce$ auval -v aumu Oaw8 Manu

AU Validation Tool
Version: 1.6.1a1
Copyright 2003-2013, Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Specify -h (-help) for command options

--------------------------------------------------
VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.5.2 (0x50502)

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
TESTING OPEN TIMES:
COLD:
FATAL ERROR: OpenAComponent: result: -1,0xFFFFFFFF
Bruces-iMac:Band-in-a-Box DAW VST3 Plugin.vst3 bruce$

You might have misunderstood.

After installing this...
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2023_mac_update_build704_dawplugin_5.4.7.pkg

...you should have 5.4.7 installed, but the auval report shows you have 5.5.2 installed. I want to see that report when you have 5.4.7 installed.

Andrew, ss I noted before, the one thing that I have not tried is going into the Library/Chaches that you mentioned . You didn't think it would make a difference so I thought I would defer but I can run it down if you were waiting for me to do so.

I also thought I would mention is that I've always ordered the hard drive to install the programs and I have 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. The plugin, as far as I can remember worked with the 2022 version that I bought in the spring. I'm wondering if there is a file that was copied on the 2022 and not the 2023 disk drives? I know that the disk drives are mass copied, so maybe something there. I could check for you if you instructed me on what to look for and how to do it.

thanks
bn

Sure, go ahead and do that. It is definitely worth a try.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly now, there has been no build 5 (Version 2023) AU plugin that works on your system? The reason I'm asking is because there was an AU validation problem that was specific to one of the 2023 release builds. I had been assuming that your problem was related to that but I think I misunderstood.

So, you're saying this build does NOT work, is that correct?
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2023_mac_update_build704_dawplugin_5.4.7.pkg

To be clear, download and install this package, then run the validation tool as described earlier and see if it completes successfully.

Moving on then, the plugin was updated last summer to support Apple's silicon chips, and at this point our earliest supported OS (for the plugin) was bumped from 10.7 to 10.9 (Mavericks). Since you have Sierra (10.12) that should not be a problem, but perhaps this is when it stopped working on your system for one reason or another, perhaps a missing dependency. You could do the same test as above, with two "2022" builds. To do this, follow these simple steps (You should read through all steps before proceeding, so you understand what you are doing.)

1. Open your Band-in-a-Box folder, and find the main Band-in-a-Box app (Band-in-a-Box.app). Duplicate this (click on it and command+D) and name the duplicate "Band-in-a-Box 2023.app".

2. Install Version 2022 with plugin build 4.6.15:
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2022_mac_update_build605.pkg

3. Run the auval test and take note of the results. Ideally, copy into a text file to save.
auval -v aumu Oaw8 Manu

4. Install Version 2022 with plugin build 4.8.7. This is the first build that is a universal binary that natively supports both Intel and Silicon Macs.
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2022_mac_update_build609.pkg

5. Run the auval test again as above. If the test succeeds with build 4.6.15 but fails with 4.8.7, then we know this is when it stopped working on your computer.

6. To get back to Band-in-a-Box 2023, do the following. The "Band-in-a-Box.app" will be 2022 at this point - delete this. Rename the "Band-in-a-Box 2023.app" back to Band-in-a-Box.app. Now you can install the Build 705 update patch:
https://update.pgmusic.com/support/mpatch/bb2023_mac_update_build705.pkg

ok so I've downloaded the 5.4.7 patch and it shows that it was installed. So now for me, after this, its really getting into the weeds. I don't have a clue what I am or will be doing as far as trying to correct this. I'm not a savy computer wia At 71 years old this is overwhelming me.




VALIDATING AUDIO UNIT: 'aumu' - 'Oaw8' - 'Manu'
--------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer String: PG Music Inc.
AudioUnit Name: Band-in-a-Box DAW AU Plugin
Component Version: 5.4.7 (0x50407)

* * PASS
--------------------------------------------------
TESTING OPEN TIMES:
COLD:
FATAL ERROR: OpenAComponent: result: -1,0xFFFFFFFF
Bruces-iMac:~ bruce$

Ok - you should reinstall the latest patch and use the standalone DAW plugin version. Just drag tracks from there into Logic. This will be almost the same as using the AU plugin from within Logic. You can find the standalone version here:

/Applications/Band-in-a-Box/BBPlugin/Files/Band-in-a-Box Standalone DAW Plugin.app.

Let me know if you have any questions about that.

I'M good Andrew,
Thanks